The Land Of Telugus
December 24, 2009
It’s been so long since I brought myself before ‘wordpress’ and I never expected that I would come back with this as my next entry subject!
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[For those who don’t know, my friend Vishnu is an amazingly adorable software geek. His gentle and sometimes vibrant multimedia skills are just awesome and widely appreciated in our group back in college days. He expressed couple of his opinions in a very elaborate way about ‘the state of my state’ (http://vishspeak.blogspot.com/2009/12/state-of-my-state.html) and it is recommended to go through his blog before you make time to listen to what I got to say coz most of the following is in reply to his observations. It is A-okay even if chose to directly jump on to my lines.]
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You should first know couple of things about what I believe and what I don’t before you further scroll down in to this page. This is strongly suggested coz this will only help you to understand what is discoursed below in an un-biased perspective. Well, if you think you already know enough of me (or probably more than necessary
), skip the next 10 lines.
a. I strongly believe in the world with no physical boundaries. I consider myself as a World Citizen before anything else. If given a choice, I would merrily erase all the boundaries of the world and would ask everyone to live in World together (highly improbable, I know!.
b. I cannot remain a spectator when there is any kind of injustice happening around (and sometimes, anywhere in the world) and would do anything and everything in my power to stop any type of discrimination happening to my fellow citizens of the world.
c. I do not identify any individual based on their region of birth, religion, caste or color. Coz I myself do not perceive any of those to be important enough.
There may be many other things that you would want to know, but let’s stop with these for now.
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Now, let me just mention some of the distortions my friend made to the history in his blog. (Very Imp. Note: All the sentences that are italicized and made bold in the following pages are directly taken from my friend’s blog)
..In 1969 when 36 GO was issued, ordering the transfer of 25,000 non-Telangana employees, who were posted in the Telangana regions, the Andhra movement take (sic.) shape. The supreme court (sic.) stepped in and nullified the order…
The then State government issued a government order (G.O. 36) in January 1969 repatriating nearly 25,000 non-local employees illegally appointed in Telangana. When this was challenged in SC, the Apex Court declared the G.O (or Mulki Rules – G. O. 36 is implementation of a 1919 firman by the Nizam, which said only “Mulkis” were eligible for public appointments in Telangana. A Mulki was one who was born in the region or had resided there continuously for 15 years and had given an affidavit abandoning the idea of returning to his/her native place) to be valid and in force. The Supreme Court judgment was nullified in 1973 by an Act of Parliament, and a Six Point formula was drafted guaranteeing “adequate preference to local candidates in admissions to educational institutions” but “subject to the requirements of the State as a whole”. Similarly, local candidates would be preferred “…to specified extent in the matter of direct recruitment for certain posts”. A tribunal was to be constituted to deal with grievances regarding appointments, seniority and promotion. Needless to say that those words (‘adequate preference…’ etc) remained as hollow as ever since then!
…The Capital city of Hyderabad was built over a period of 50 years with effort and revenue of all the three regions… Now if the city goes into Telangana state, the region of Andhra or Rayalaseema stands to lose all their effort and work…
The city of Hyderabad was built over a period of 500 years. The city was richest and the largest among the princely states of India (i.e., before 1947). It is after centuries of its grand existence that the territories of the State of Hyderabad were divided between newly created Andhra Pradesh, Mumbai state (later Maharashtra), and Karnataka on 1 November 1956. Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad state also known as Telangana (including Hyderabad city) were merged with Telugu speaking state of Andhra state to create to Andhra Pradesh. Thus, Hyderabad became the capital city of the new state of Andhra Pradesh. My point is what is perceived as ‘development’ in Hyderabad is only consequential effects of its grandeur existence, not an overnight bubble. This is to be understood properly especially in the light of many theories floating around suggesting that the Hyderabad now we see (or live in) is in her sublime high only coz of what has been done to her in the past 10 years.
Moreover, any kind of revenue is invested anywhere (especially when it is by private parties) only when there are returns expected. You would risk investing far from your home only when there is high probability of huge returns. That is exactly the thing that was done with investments in Hyderabad. It is a well known fact that those investments, in this case, got multiplied by many numbers because of the obvious reasons. Still, there’s no one who is asking anybody to leave everything and go back! Anybody is free to keep the revenues invested in Hyderabad and watch them multiply more but not at the cost of region losing its own revenue. Please note that the development that has taken place in and around the capital city, after the formation of Andhra Pradesh, is natural and is comparable to the development that has taken place in other major cities of the country.
Also, what would you say if British argued in 1947 that all the investments (oh yes, they made hell lot of investments in their 200 yrs of colonial rule) that were made in India before 1947 were actually to develop and make India prosper? What would you say if Britain demanded to take back all that could be taken back from India when they were leaving coz, it was after all their investment? This might look like an exaggerated analogy but holds true in every manner! Some XYZ comes Hyderabad and gets amazed to find its richness (just like the way when British entered India long ago). He brings over the surplus left over at home and invests it (like the way British brought their soldiers). He slowly makes everything own and tries owning others’ own too (British founded East India Co. and spread it across the country). He builds couple of buildings for his own convenience and creates more revenue out of them (British built couple of rail tracks calling it ‘development’ but actually meant to make their exploitation more convenient). He claims to have ‘developed’ Hyd now (like the way British claims that they built modern India!)!! It should be noted that this analogy stands valid only for those few whose actual interests lay upon squeezing Hyd for their own wicked interests not for everyone who’s being in and with Hyd and became a Hyderbadi (just like the way this analogy stands good only for British not for every foreign merchant who wanted to do business with Indian Kingdoms, make couple of profits with no plans colonizing India)
Lastly, Hyd used to be called as ‘City of lakes’ and ‘City of pearls’ – forget about pearls but lakes are seen no more (or seen everywhere in the months of July and August) thanks to the hideously groomed real estate market which by the way is being controlled mostly by non-locals!
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Now, let’s talk about something more interesting. Since I can continuously discourse upon the subject in discussion for hours, or probably days, I will limit myself to the major issues that are being raked up in the advent of recent events happening in and around Telangana.
Here are some of the famous and repeatedly preached arguments by many of my brothers and sisters of Telugu land whenever a talk of separate state is made. I know most of them are inadvertently oblivious and so I will attempt to make couple of such sermons as naked as possible for it is elemental to see them in the true colors to understand what they could actually mean.
I repeat, it is recommended to go through http://vishspeak.blogspot.com/2009/12/state-of-my-state.html) before you make time to listen what I got to say coz most of the following is in reply to the observations made in the above link. It is A-okay even if chose to directly jump on to my lines.
…It is a common practice to make ‘villains’ or ‘comedians’ in telugu movies speak the Telangana/Rayalaseema dialect while the ‘good guys’ speak the Godavari/Krishna accent…
It would be stupid to ask for a separate state just because someone is ridiculing your language. I mean, you can file a complaint in the court or ask Govt/Censor Board to look into the matter seriously but you can’t make a serious case out of ‘ you are being derogatory to my language so, I want a separate state ‘ argument. I know it’s pretty serious issue (coz, it’s your identity that is at stake) but not good enough to demand a Separate State based merely on that!
…Lack of sea ports will weigh down heavily on Telangana…, if made separate:
In spite of having sea on all sides, and thus having many ports, Srilanka is nothing more than a strategic naval link between West Asia and South East Asia and stands 104th on UN’s Human Development Index List. A country with no port on any part of its boundary, say, Switzerland, remains in the top 10 (9th according to the 2009 list) countries in the UN Human Development Index List. So, for a region or nation to become developed (and by developed, I mean the standard of living of everyone not just couple of individuals entering Forbes’ billionaire list) depends very minimal on the number of sea ports it possess. Every region has its own ratio of strengths and weaknesses. It is for us to decide where we lay our efforts and energies on. So, Telangana, in spite of not having any sea with its boundaries, will not have to worry about the means of building a port within the state!
…You (both Telangana & Andhra) will not have as many jobs in the IT sector if the state becomes two…
American companies running their offices here in Hyd (that’s is what we call ‘IT Sector’) will be more than happy to set up their new office in any city (even if it is a ‘ second-rung ‘ city) with few graduates as long as these people can write couple of programs and attend couple of conference calls at 2 AM without much of bemoaning (No offence intended for those in IT – it’s just that IT sector needs relatively less complex resources to establish and sustain). This is precisely because of ‘Easy re-location of the IT-hub‘ as it was rightly observed in another part of my friend’s blog that ‘Unlike the other industries, the IT industry does not depend much on the location’. So, Andhra people do not have to lose their sleep over the possibility of not having more IT Jobs. Neither does the Telangana people worry about prospects of losing many IT jobs to their Andhra counterparts. Coz, both the states are going to have their own share once they are conveniently separated!
…In a federal setup, numbers is strength…
Let me just correct that. It should have been ‘in the current federal setup, numbers is strength’. I yell for the umpteenth time as the walls of my larynx vibrate that what is being followed by many does not necessarily make it the correct practice. But, using ‘numbers’ like the way it is being used in the current India is a sufficient condition to call our nation as flawed democracy!
Yes, you need to have ‘numbers’ in the current federal setup to bring down the govt. (which, by the way, was elected to rule the country after ~1000 crore rupee elections) because your demand for more cabinet berths was not met. It’s true that these ‘numbers’ decide the policies of a 100 crore nation! How pathetic!
Why else would we need ‘numbers’ to have a say in the national politics? The impression that ‘you need moral conviction and genuineness to make your demands heard’ is no where existent anymore. I didn’t know that we need to stretch muscles (read as, threatening and blackmailing with serious consequences if you don’t listen to me!) every time we feel our vested interests are not being properly cared for. Besides, wouldn’t the number game result in mere blackmail politics? Don’t you think we see enough of ‘numbers’ getting kidnapped (oh no, they are now terming the sudden disappearances of MLAs/MPs as ‘taken away’ or ‘made invisible’) to threaten the governments unless their stupid demands (like, ‘my party candidate should have XYZ ministry’) are met? Which month in a year passed by with no mention of a group of these ‘numbers’ sulking over countless and meaningless issues with no memory of the responsibilities they are supposed to be caring for.
What is more and urgently needed is the veracity or genuineness in your convictions or demands not the strength in ‘numbers’. It is proven time and again that the number game would result only in more of blackmail politics and nothing more! Besides, as long as the Judiciary (which, by the way, is the only one pillar that remains unscathed to the surprisingly large extent in the midst of all the mud) is existent and is driven by a compassionate lot, I really don’t think there is any reason to lose our sleeps over having less ‘numbers’. People are anyway equipped with the most powerful weapon of all time (that’s called phalanx) and they don’t hesitate to use it when the need comes by.
…Farming problems…
Are you actually suggesting that we should be worried over ‘few sanctions’ or ‘possible water-riots’? The centre (or in this case, anybody with common sense) already states that percentage of water to be used by any particular state should be equal to the percentage of catchment area of the flowing river through that state. If you find your share getting exploited by upstream parties, you go and fight with them. You have Centre’s policy and an apex court to back you up for your genuine and deserving share. I know you are jumping to say ‘why can’t we do the same within the existing AP instead of complaining about one region not getting to utilize its share of waters?’ It’s not possible simply coz Centre don’t have a say in State’s internal water disputes, neither would the apex court say something unless asked for (Well, SC did ask AP State Govt. to implement couple of things to avert the damages done to Telangana which, of course, went conveniently unheeded and there’s nothing Centre could do about it). If it was a separate state, even the most disgusting political parties will have to fight for the new state’s rightful share coz their existence depends on their fight. Again, as long your fight is just, you don’t need ‘numbers’ to support your cause.
‘Choice: Imagine, you run a company and you want to take employees into it. …’ Nice try.
What is incomprehensible is why did we not ‘develop’ (Development is just another most abused word) or why is this so called ‘development’ getting limited to a very few pockets of the state in spite of ‘better employees‘ across the state and thus ‘better administration’ resulting in ‘growth and development’ or even when you are ‘ picking the best of a lot ‘ since 60 long years! Does it not look like a well crafted method of bamboozling some in the name of unity? This method, (the method of keeping unemployed/under-privileged as unemployed forever) in fact, negates the ‘growth’ that is supposed to have reached every corner of the state/country.
…All the problems we face today are because of our leaders. Change them and we will change our lives…
There is nothing that can be truer than what is said in the above two sentences. But in this particular case, have we not been doing that for the past 60 years!? Why is it still not working? Coz, people we call as leaders are highly efficient (not inefficient) in keeping problems alive so that there remains a chance of making promises. This exists in every direction you see and in every region you live. And this continues for years and decades. So, how does a separate state solve this problem? Breaking news: It won’t.
A separate state will only solve one of the many problems that the people of Telangana region are facing. And the one that will get solved is the most important one. There won’t be anybody whose sole aim is to bring Telangana anymore! And there won’t be any of those false promises anymore! Anything and everything that the ‘leaders’ will have to do then will be to spend the resources (or at least act so, coz their existence depends on how better they act!) on Telangana and Telangana only. Again, will there not be any problems then? Of course, there will be, just like the way there are problems in any part of the country or world for that matter. But that’ll be the different stage for another battle. People will fight for their rightful share in the already allocated resources.
Democracy is a highly flawed practice for the existing world, especially for India. And it’s surprising that many of us still can’t see this naked truth and live in our own dream world! If you think you can change lives by just changing the ‘leaders’, I would urge you to think again! (You may probably be able to change something – very little with huge number of constraints, though – if you become one of the ‘leaders’)
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Most of the above lines were only intended to analyze the mostly used objections for the formation of Telangana State and attempts to present a little fairer picture of what those objections actually consist of. It is never my intention to assault any individual or a group but I am sure you will have many more objections and doubts over the necessity of forming a separate state. You may please contact me or leave your comment below and I assure you that nothing will be left unanswered unless it is very stupid in tongue or intention. You will find me updating more information here with few more details in the next couple of days.

Dude! How are you?
Thats a good argument. I do differ with you on some of them though. Will write about that.
My comments about the city Of Hyderabad in the T-issue:
I agree that everyone invests in Hyd because it guarantees good returns. There is no doubt about it. I dont understand why anyone should have a problem if some one from somewhere else buys lands here. This is the capital city of his state, he is an Indian and there would/should be no law barring him from doing that. Why should that become a grievance? Real estate agents from here have started buying lands in Vizag/Vijayawada/Tirupathi, expecting growth in the land prices there. Why is it that we complain when ‘outsiders’ buy lands here and get jobs here, but do not see anything wrong with buying lands elsewhere or working in jobs elsewhere in the country or the world?
Moreover you would note that people dont buy lands in districts that are far away from Hyd(Karimnagar,Nizamabad, Adilabad etc.) This ‘domination’ in real estate is only in Hyderabad. Forget Telangana, to that matter, any Telugu, anywhere in the state can buy lands, build houses/offices wherever he please in this country. Have someone told us not to buy lands in a city like Delhi/Mumbai because we are ‘outsiders’? Well, I am sure MNS has such ideas, but lets talk about the moderate Mumbaite.
“The city of Hyderabad was built over a period of 500 years. The city was richest and the largest among the princely states of India (i.e., before 1947).”
Though the city was built over 500 years, not many are interested in the parts of the city that were built 50 years back. They just remain as tourist attractions. Those parts are called ‘Old city’ and are remembered only during election campaigns. Successive governments have built Hyd as an IT hub, at the cost of the other towns(including those in Telangana). Like I said, it is easier to relocate the IT hub, but it will definitely take a decade to make the new one as popular as Hyderabad is now. The city is on a roll now and separation will only halt it in its tracks. I do not deny that it will return to normalcy a few years from now, but why do that when separation is not going to solve any problems of the locals?
Drawing parallels between the T-issue and the British rule is definitely an exaggeration. They ruled over us. Indians and Britishers each had different rules and policies. We were never given equal opportunities, because they were the rulers, we had no right to rule.
Like you said that analogy holds true only for those who are squeezing the city for their own wicked needs. In such a case, how does it matter, if that someone is from Hyderabad or Warangal or Vijayawada or Chittoor or to that matter some place in the Andamans?
It is a sad state of affairs that we have taken it for granted that local resources are for locals. If that was so, each district would be a country, so that people of that country have special privileges over people of the other countries. That is not how we are supposed to be.
How can we discriminate our own countrymen? Is it just for us to say, that someone is not supposed to buy lands or run businesses here just because he happens to speak some other language or dialect?
Hey Vishnu,
Glad you could stop by and I am just good
Check this out:
‘…Real estate agents from here have started buying lands in Vizag/Vijayawada/Tirupathi, expecting growth in the land prices there…’
I really doubt that. I mean, forgive me if I am not well informed but I never saw neither heard of anyone from Telangana (with roots in Telangana, not those who started living in Telangana since couple of years) buying lands in Vizag/Vijayawada/Tirupathi, expecting growth in the land prices there. Well, did you really!?
‘…Moreover you would note that people dont buy lands in districts that are far away from Hyd (Karimnagar,Nizamabad, Adilabad etc.) This ‘domination’ in real estate is only in Hyderabad…’
Ideally, it’s true that I shouldn’t have any problem in buying lands or investing my money or employing someone not based on where he/she belongs to. Well, Govt. of India does have a problem with that. Why do you think FEMA (Foreign Exchange Management Act), 1999 governs the acquisition and transfer of property in India if it was not to safeguard the interests of indigenous Indians against another colonization! (FEMA states that the person who is not resident of India and not of Indian origin cannot own property in India). The rights to buy property in India are reserved for certain groups that qualify, but for a foreign national it is illegal to own property unless they satisfy the residency requirement of 183 days in a financial year. Tourist visas last for 180 days, so it is also impossible to buy a property on a tourist visa. Foreigners after a certain number of years of residence, and with proof of ‘real need’ are allowed to buy a reasonable size of land for residential purposes only. When we should not have any problem in buying lands anywhere we want, why should India have a problem if someone not Indian buys a property in India? (I am not sure if there is any such ‘Act’ existing even in the United States)
It’s A-Okay to let someone from outside to come and own/rent a part of my house. I would do that only when I am self sufficient and content with my basic needs and more importantly finds the deal good for me. I wouldn’t allow someone to come and own 3/4ths of my home and I would definitely not allow him to convert it in to a swimming pool when I don’t even have proper kitchen. The near monopoly control being enjoyed by a section of people (who mostly happen to be the ‘settlers’ – I don’t want to use this word but I couldn’t find the right replacement!) on real estate transactions and land speculation in & around Hyderabad/Secunderabad has already spread to a radius of nearly 100 kilo meters around the capital city resulting in the displacement of thousands of poor farmers and farm workers of the local areas. Like I said, this is what is unacceptable and this is more intolerable when what is being done is repeatedly portrayed as ‘development’.
‘…Forget Telangana, to that matter, any Telugu, anywhere in the state can buy lands, build houses/offices wherever he please in this country…’
Every state has got its own rules of who can and who cannot buy lands in their territories (in Karnataka and Maharashtra only agriculturists may buy agricultural land. In J&K, outsiders may buy no property of any kind). The rules are different when we talk about residential property and when it is an industrial or agricultural land that we are dealing with. It is to safeguard the interests of their own people even though they know that the buyers are from India. ‘Why are you so paranoid about Telugu buying a Telugu land, then?’ many wonder. It’s ok when this transaction is merely to benefit the buyer but definitely not OK when the transaction is resulting in an irreparable loss to the native.
Don’t get me started with the ‘Real Estate’ thing. I don’t believe when someone says that Real Estate is just another industry when it clearly is not merely that. It’s nothing less than a mafia with implicit control over lands, money and more. Not acknowledging this is only an act of masquerade.
‘…Though the city was built over 500 years, not many are interested in the parts of the city that were built 50 years back…’
It is a travesty of truth when an impression gets so easily created that the development of twin cities took place after they became capital of AP. The fact is that the plight of erstwhile Andhra state in locating its capital could be mitigated only because of the formation of Andhra Pradesh and giving to it, on a silver platter, an already well developed capital of erstwhile Hyderabad state. The States Reorganization Commission also was very clear on this issue when they reported “This will also solve the difficult and vexing problem of finding a permanent capital for Andhra, for the twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad are very well suited to be the capital of Vishalandhra” (SRC Report: para 371).
The development that has taken place in and around the capital city, after the formation of Andhra Pradesh, is natural and is comparable to the development that has taken place in other major cities of the country. On the other hand, the growth of Visakhapatnam has been faster than the growth of Hyderabad and Secunderabad cities.
Huge reservoirs, like the Nizam Sagar, Tungabhadra, Osman Sagar, Himayat Sagar, and others were built, not in the past 50 years! Products such as silverware, saris, Nirmal and Kalamkari paintings and artifacts, unique Bidri handcrafted items, lacquer bangles studded with stones, silk ware, cotton ware and handloom-based clothing materials are made and traded through the city for centuries but not just for the past 50 years!
Few significant changes to the city in the past 50 years include the way Hyderabad has established itself as the leading destination for IT and IT-enabled services, pharmaceuticals, call centers and entertainment industries. Many computer software companies, software consulting firms, business process outsourcing (BPO) firms, dealing with IT and other technological services firms have established their offices and facilities in the city since the 1990s. But it should be noted that any IT or non-IT services industry had started its operations in Hyd only coz of the potential workforce the city was offering at a modest expense. This could have anyway happened eventually and there’s nothing anyone from Andhra or Telangana should take credit for!
And please understand that construction of flyovers, widening of roads, development of Hi-Tech cities etc., will not address the serious problems confronting the people in the other nine districts of Telangana. Cholera deaths in Adilabad, spread of malaria in the tribal belt, suicides by farmers in Warangal, Karimnagar and Khammam, suicides by weavers in Karimnagar, eternal famine conditions in Mahabubnagar, flurosis in Nalgonda, fall of ayacut under Nizamsagar cannot be ignored under the gilded veils of ‘development’ that we presume to have achieved in Hyderabad.
‘…I do not deny that it will return to normalcy a few years from now, but why do that when separation is not going to solve any problems of the locals?…‘
Oh no. It is going to solve lot of problems, generally of everyone and especially of locals. That’s the whole point, nah.
‘…Drawing parallels between the T-issue and the British rule is definitely an exaggeration. They ruled over us. Indians and Britishers each had different rules and policies. We were never given equal opportunities, because they were the rulers, we had no right to rule…‘
Breaking news: Indians and Britishers do not have different rules and policies (Indian Penal Code is a piece of British colonial legislation dating from 1860, with very few amendments even after 1947 such as IPC Section 304B, Dowry Death law inserted in IPC in 1986). We still don’t have equal opportunities amongst us and Telangana is the best example of that anyone can ever see today (Even you nodded an approval to this statement!)
Brother
After a long time here…
Excellent argument I must say. Whether or not this is a solution, you have at least set an example on how to build an argument.
I must appreciate vish as well. I find his blog too interesting. I am right away referring these two blogs to all my friends to see how they react.
Best,
Vinay Chaganti
Hey Vinay,
Glad you found time to read this. Really appreciate your gesture of reference
Would really like to hear what you think too!
@Dogstar
Like Vinay said, we have an argument going on here.
About the real-estate thing:
You stated that FEMA act and how India protects her the land from foreign nationals. I understand that because it is a COUNTRY. We are a single unit when it comes to rules and constitution. We all have to respect the same constitution. Every state has laws protecting agricultural lands, but it doesnt differentiate between real-estate agent from one state and another, or to that matter one region and another.
I understand the rationale behind letting people buy lands for agriculture only. I appreciate that. But I would hate a law that would discriminate realtors from different regions.
If there is a law that allows a person from say Mahbubnagar, to buy lands in Hyderabad, but at the same time forbids a person who lives in Kurnool, a few KM away, I would lose my belief in our constitution. First of all it goes against the basic rights that I have in the country. It is discriminatory and unjust.
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I am not debating about whether real-estate boom is good or bad. All I am saying is, if we dont have a problem with someone from Mahbubnagar buying 100 acres near Hyderabad, we should not have a problem with someone from Kurnool buying the same land. Should we? If yes, why?
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And yes, there are scores of people from Hyderabad(Telanganites) now buying lands in the second-rung cities, especially the probable capital cities of the Andhra Pradesh that would remain if the state is split. That is what real estate agents do. Thats their business. Why should you hold it against someone if he is buying land from his own country, albeit in a place where he was not born? It is just a money-making proposition.
Tirupati is a city that grew really big in the last 10 years. 10 years back, when you went up the ghat road to Tirumala, you would have seen a patch of land that had houses. Now that patch is so big, you could not see the end of it. People who have owned those lands are from areas like Vijayawada, Hyderabad and Vishakapatnam.
Yes, Jammu and Kashmir has some special laws about owing properties. Union territories have similar laws. But no other states have such laws. Even in J&K, no matter where you are from in J&k, you can buy properties, as long as you are a native of J&k or have resided there for a number of years continuously.
Like you said sometimes buying/selling land might displace some people and cause agony. I completely understand that. Thats bad. Thats bad even if the buyer/seller/developer is from that region. What difference does the nativity of the buyer make to the agony of those displaced?
Yes, there are many real-estate developers from the Andhra region buying vast lands in and around Hyd. That does not mean there are no realtors from say Telangana. It only means that those from Andhra have invested more money.
Oh boy, this is so not intended to be an argument. I would rather call it ‘discussion’
It’s true that our constitution doesn’t differentiate the realtors from one state to another, or to that matter one region to another and it does differentiate when the realtor is not an Indian. If you think about it, the reason behind such ‘differentiation’ towards non-Indians is to protect the interests of the very Indians that our Constitution is supposed to be representing. I mean, when it is so easy to call us as single unit coz we are from a single country why is it not really possible to call us as a single unit when we are in the same world. It’s not possible coz the world is not in a balanced shape yet. Not everyone is equally equipped with the same kind of opportunities across the world. So is the case with Andhra Pradesh.
I repeat, real estate thing is acceptable to a level that lets everyone get a fair deal. What is happening in Hyd real estate (or probably in most of the Indian real estate business) is the purchase of some lands at a cheaper price (and thereby displacing many – the story of compensation is another drama) and selling them at sky-rocket prices by creating an inflation kind of situation. And you are right when you said this is bad irrespective of who is doing it. You are also right when you said people from Andhra (a very few of them, I must say) are doing it more.
So, coming to the core: how does a separate state going to solve this problem?
I must make it clear again that separation is not a sufficient condition to solve every problem that Telangana is facing today. But it surely is a necessary condition. With the separate state, people from other regions (like Andhra) would think twice before buying vast lands in and around Hyd in a hope of making bags of money out of it like the way it is happening today (in a case of genuine investment, they wouldn’t have to think twice like the way they wouldn’t have to think twice to buy something in, say, Delhi). This would only result in very slow but eventual vanishing of artificial inflation of lands!
You can’t just send our Mohun Bagan team to play against, say, Portugal in the next soccer game. You would first need to bring them on par by equipping MB with proper resources and skill. That’s when MB is ready to go head on with Portugal coz that’s when is a ‘fair game’ becomes possible.
About Hyderabad:
Yes Hyderabad was a big city even when it was made the capital of AP. But with the amount of development made as of now, the buildings, water facilities and airports, get dwarfed.
Say, for example three friends( let us say Mallesh, Rajesh and Venkatesh) start a software firm. They need an office and workplace to start working. Mallesh has a biiig house and a couple of rooms that could be a good office. Let us say they set up an office in Mallesh’s house. They all work real hard and work their asses off to get the company good profits. Over a decade, the company becomes a well-reputed software firm that is worth a few 100 crores. Now comes a time when the three friends have differences.
If you were to divide the company among the three friends, would you not give each of them an eqaul share, or would you say that the company should go to Mallesh because the office in his house?
Would you say, “Hey, Mallesh’s house already had a tap, telephone and a car. the company should belong to Mallesh?”
Now if it was a company, you could give the house back to Mallesh and divide the company worth among the three friends eqaully. You could sell the company and pay the three equally. How would you do the same to a city? A city which was had beautiful buildings and facilities when it started, but a few decades later grows into something that could not be compared to what it was when it started?
- Mallesh, Rajesh and Venkatesh (good choice with the typical names
) can very much continue with developing the company to 1000 crore company through 100 crore company. Just like the way, the city can still remain an arena of development for every Indian!
- While we keep discoursing about the ‘development’ that Hyderabad has so fortunate to experience in this 50 years thanks to the people of ‘all regions’, why not think about the possibility of this happening in a same way or, in all probability, better way had Hyd been left on its own to get developed!?
- Mallesh could have made The Company a 500 crore company by today if it was for his choice to start the company on his own – don’t you think this is a possibility! Or Mallesh could have at least arrived at 100 crore figure even if he was operating alone. I am not negating the contribution of Rajesh and Venkatesh but I think, with the kind of resources Rajesh already had, this kind of development would only be something very natural and he could even have made it bigger, if given a choice of working on his own terms!
So, coming to the core: Hyderabad will not halt in its tracks if separated from Andhra Pradesh. Neither would Andhra lose substantially. As you rightly said, things will return to normalcy in the due course.
Drawing parallels between the T-issue and the fight for Independence:
A Telangana MLA has no lesser importance than an MLA from some other region. An MLA from Karimnagar has the same control over his constituency as an MLA from Kurnool has over his. If KCR decides to get funds for his region, no one is going to say “Hey you are from Telangana, you wont get any”.
In pre-1947 India, there were two levels of hierarchy – The Officers and the Babus. Government and administration was managed by the Officers, while the Indian Babus only served them. They could not make decisions. The decisions were made by those who RULED us. We did not elect our government. It was not like the officers and babus were selected by a common criterion. They had separate exams and rules. The Viceroys, Governor-Generals, Heads of Police, Judges and any official who could make a decision were Britishers. Indians were not allowed in those positions. The laws were made by the British Parliament where everyone were Britishers. Only the provincial governments like the Nizam’s had a little control over the laws, but those too were supposed to be based on the laws made in the British Parliament.
It does nor matter if the Indian penal Code did not change much. The Indian Penal code was for the Indians. It was a rule book of crimes and punishments. It had nothing to do with administration/governance.
The Legislative Councils that came about when British Raj was on its last legs was the most generous gesture towards the Indian populace. A body of 12 would become the Legislative Council, who could SUGGEST changes to laws, based on the laws made in the British Parliament. Half of the Legislative Council were supposed to be Britons. The other half consisted of Domiciled Britons and Indians APPOINTED on a two-year term. Even then they served only in an ADVISORY capacity. The members who were appointed were those who were proven to be loyal to the British interests.
To sum it up, our law makers during the Raj were not elected by us, but by the Britons in Britain. The one who served in low ranks here were appointed by the Britons.
I fail to see how you can exaggerate the T-issue which is primarily a case of neglect by the leaders, and compare it to the Indo-British relationship. If the leaders we elect do not solve problems, I think all we can do is curse our luck or change the leaders. It would definitely be easier to blame some other leader for working well for his people, or to blame businessmen from other parts of the state because they are doing business here. When there are limited resources there will be competition for them. We can solve problems by working for the people here, instead of blaming competition.
Yes, you are right in saying that struggle for Telangana is quite different from the fight for Independence. I was drawing a small analogy to show some similarities which, by the way, can clearly be seen.
I mean, it is even more difficult to say ‘please leave me alone’ to my own brothers and sisters than it was when I was saying ‘go away’ to British. But I am sad that I am left with no option. I have been a fool in trusting that our elected leaders (from T, A & R) are fundamentally different from those who were appointed during the British Raj. But as it is being proved time and again, they are only slightly different. Even in the case of feeble attempts made by couple of Telangana political leaders, it is no secret that they were crushed badly. (P. V. Narasimha Rao, M. Chenna Reddy and T. Anjaiah did become Chief Ministers of the state. But what was the duration of stewardship of all of them put together? It was hardly 5 years, in the state’s history of 53 years, that too in bits and pieces – to be precise, in four spells and each spell spanning a few months. It should be noted that J. Vengal Rao was a migrant from Coastal area. He never came out of his moorings and he never identified himself with the hopes and aspirations of people of Telangana. P. V. Narasimha Rao made a feeble attempt in 1972 to implement the verdict of Supreme Court validating the Mulki Rules. The verdict, naturally, was in favor of Telangana. But the reaction from the other regions was so instantaneous and so wild that in the process P. V. Narasimha Rao lost his Chief Ministership and the Telangana region lost all its safeguards. Even the verdict of the highest judicial authority of the country was nullified. This can happen to any leader from Telangana in that position. Because, their survival depends upon the support of the area which has a numerical majority in the political setup and has greater money power to influence the political process and administrative machinery. That is the sad version of democracy is another story. The problem, therefore, lies essentially in the nature of political equations between the developed and backward regions and not fully and necessarily in the persons holding positions of power.)
Coming to the core: What can happen if you have a separate state.
People of Telangana and to some extent Political parties of Telangana would become politically independent and make allocations of their own. Political parties in Telanaga will be left with no option but to do so coz their existence will solely depend on that unlike now (their existence now depends on many other issues like, how much representation in the cabinet or how soon shall we get Telangana etc). What can happen if there is discrimination of resource allocation even within Telangana is a question on a different level (fat chance, though).
What I fail to comprehend is why is it becoming so difficult to let go of a region that aspires to be politically independent ever since it was forcibly merged with the un-equals?
dear friends,
I came across, some point out that, visakhapatnam is developing at a faster rate than hyd.
In what sense, made u to say that,
vizag having an airport(which gets flooded even with a small inches of rain—-IN that way it is more developed than Hyd…We Dont want internation airport but aleast a good small airport.You people might not be knowing if the airport is flooded, 60% of money is being spent by INDIAN NAVY to make the airport for re-operating our state government spend 40% in this way vizag is developing faster)
Do u know how many flyovers are there in vizag till now—-probably 3(which has taken more than 10 years to get completed—–IN that way it is more developed than Hyd).
DO u people know how many industries are there in vizag( source for providing employment)
1—NAVY,The Eastern Naval Command established its base in Vizag. Prior to 1947, the Royal Navy had a base in HMIS Sircars( built even before independence).
2—Scindia Shipyard was started, it was later nationalised and is now called the Hindustan Shipyard(built in 1949).
3—A petroleum refinery owned by Caltex was opened. This is currently owned by HPCL(built in 1957 before T-movement).
4—Hindhusthan zinc(owned by government,BHPV,Visakhapatnam steel plant are the ones which are built after T-movement(so in this way vizag is fastly developing than HYD)
its not my intension to hurt any one, but atleast know the facts…
ON OTHER NOTE:
Regarding,Water disputes…
Water Laws:Make the maximum use of water(to save life)
There is another LAW stating,One can not change the flow of the river(means one can not divert the flow of the river,which have been flowing in the natural way)
let me speak about GODAVARI river( FLOWING WEST TO EAST),Telengana is in the up-stream.
After crossing Telengana, it comes to Rajamundry after that it goes to Bay of Bengal.since Rajamundry is at the coastal region.making use of max water which is going to the SEA is done….
so some people say we are using more water.
If there is any state after Rajamundry or if any River which have been flowing from EAST TO WEST then it would have made an issue.
ON THIS NOTE I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT.
I agree with the strong note made by friend on the distribution of water in the inter-state.
yes there is no proper law on distribution of water in the inter-state.
From independence to till now, many LAWS have changed. So lets make a difference, try to change laws.
I WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE…
IF YOUR REGION OR MINE ARE BACKWARD,LETS TRY TO MAKE THE BOTH REGIONS BETTER.
LETS NOT FORGET, we are people of INDIA who share different culture,languages. but we still are UNITED AS TRUE INDIANS….